[Pauldotcom] That degrees do you have?

[Adrian Crenshaw]

I've met some really dumb people with doctorates, but it seems to be the
union card you have to have to teach in a public institution.

Adrian

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM, John Navarro <jnavtx at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's good to hear! I was just reading this thread and wondering about
> those of us without degrees.
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Brett Hoff <bhoff at itworldclass.com> wrote:
>
>>  I have no degree! I am also a state accredited instructor and have
>> designed my own security pen testing syllabus that has been approved by the
>> state for 2 years.
>>
>> personally I believe in the hands on experience vs. the Academia.
>>
>> what I do have is the sec+, Ethical hacking, Linux+, GCFA and the RHCT
>> I teach the sec and Linux classes and even recognized by redhat as able to
>> teach all the classes in the open source academy.
>>
>> So Teaching is possible with out the degrees you just have to find the
>> right place that will work with you.
>>
>> for example the college here UWF you have to be a PhD or mD to teach and
>> they are allowing me to teach not the entire classes but modules from the
>> classes that
>> I have expertise in.
>>
>> Hope that helps
>>
>>
>> Brett Hoff
>>
>> RHCT, Linux +, Security+
>>
>> Senior Security and Linux instructor
>>
>> Senior IT Security Engineer
>>
>> *GCFA* "Certified Forensics Analyst"
>>
>> Antler Computer Consulting
>>
>>  Antler, Inc.
>>
>> We do IT World Class!
>>
>>
>>
>> 850-857-7707
>>
>> itworldclass.com
>>
>>
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>> *From:* pauldotcom-bounces at mail.pauldotcom.com [mailto:
>> pauldotcom-bounces at mail.pauldotcom.com] *On Behalf Of *Butturini, Russell
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2009 7:22 AM
>> *To:* PaulDotCom Security Weekly Mailing List
>> *Subject:* Re: [Pauldotcom] That degrees do you have?
>>
>>  I have a B.S. in Management Information Systems, and also teach infosec
>> classes.  If you want to teach, one thing you have to watch out for now
>> though is, depending on where you teach and who their accrediting body is,
>> there is a movement towards requiring that you have a degree that meets two
>> conditions:
>>
>> 1.  The degree must be one level higher than the level of the class you
>> are teaching (i.e. if you are teaching an associate level class you need a
>> bachelor’s degree, if you are teaching a bachelor’s level class you need a
>> master’s degree, etc.)
>>
>> 2.  The degree must be directly related to the field you are teaching
>> (i.e. if you are teaching Infosec classes, your degree must be in infosec
>> instead of MIS etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> They tend to let me slide on #2 because I have enough IT certifications
>> for them to justify it to the accreditation committee.  But again, it varies
>> between accrediting bodies.
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From:* pauldotcom-bounces at mail.pauldotcom.com [mailto:
>> pauldotcom-bounces at mail.pauldotcom.com] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Crenshaw
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:54 PM
>> *To:* PaulDotCom Security Weekly Mailing List
>> *Subject:* [Pauldotcom] That degrees do you have?
>>
>>
>>
>> I find myself very disappointed with higher education, price for
>> performance, ethics, etc. I have a BS in CS (I like saying it that way) and
>> am working on an MBA, but their idea of ethics is not my idea of ethics.
>>
>> I'm curious, what degrees do some of you have? I'm interested in finding a
>> job teaching infosec, so if you teach I'd really like to hear what
>> credentials you have.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
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