[Pauldotcom] Why don't more *nix dev's...

[Richard Baker]

But that still requires that the program you want is in the manager...
If I just goto a website and download a "package" I still have to worry
about rpm vs deb ect...
the scripts can and should be built to do the dependancy checks and complain
if something is missing...

I guess I just hate that *nix is so disjointed for the end user...
I know different distributions are built for specific reasons... but the
package manager concept seems to fragment more then help... then there are
special projects and packages to translate other package types... its just a
mess...

I run Mac as my primary OS... but I build admin and support servers running
mostly Ubuntu...

Maybe Im just tweeked by there being different package managers used my
different distributions in a community that talks about wanting more
acceptance from the casual user...

Maybe this is mostly my Rant about getting some unity in the *nix world...
mostly Linux... use the package managers to support the core apps in the
distro... like WUS or AUS does and use rolled up installers for other
apps...

-REB

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Michael Douglas <mick at pauldotcom.com> wrote:

> But... you're kind of speaking in favor of package managers.  On my
> debian system I just need to do the following:
>
> sudo apt-get install {program that I want}
>
> That's *easy*, and I can have it update and stay current too.
>
> Rollup scripts are nice, they do beat the doing it by hand...  but I
> prefer a good package.
>
> - Mick
>
> PS: what version of *nix are you using?
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Richard Baker
> <richardebaker at pathsecurity.com> wrote:
> > I see the point for package managers... but wouldn't it be "better" or
> speed
> > adoption if the packages self-managed and then is no reason to have the
> .deb
> > vs. .rpm vs. ect... normal users dont want to remember how to un-tar...
> > windows and mac make it simple... click here to install... drag to the
> > applications folder... maybe im crazy
> > -REB
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Robin Wood <dninja at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2009/12/5 Richard Baker <richardebaker at pathsecurity.com>:
> >> > Why don't more *nix dev's...
> >> > Write rolled up install scripts... like the installer for VMware
> >> > Player...
> >> > One .sh file that has all the needed elements rolled up in it
> uuencoded
> >> > directly in the script...
> >> > I know *nix users like to "have control" but doesn't it make sense??>
> or
> >> > am
> >> > I off base...
> >> > Sanity Check??
> >>
> >> Isn't that what distributions and their package managers are for?
> >>
> >> Robin
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